Through you, Chair, this is talking about a significant change in how medical care is delivered in this country, and Mr. Julian thinks this is a joke. I am unsure of what his antics are to attempt to interrupt what we're talking about here. Maybe it's because he doesn't understand what it is to provide medical care. I don't think he needs to understand that. I think he needs to understand what it is to actually receive medical care. If he doesn't understand that, I'm quite happy to provide him with a diatribe with respect to that, but if he does not believe....
Ms. Kayabaga, if you want to wave your hands, and you don't think it's important either—