Evidence of meeting #131 for Health in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mental.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sarah Larney  Associate Professor, Université de Montréal, As an Individual
Lance Charles  As an Individual
Cornelia Wieman  Chief Medical Officer, First Nations Health Authority
Rory Kulmala  Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Island Construction Association
Sarah MacDonald  As an Individual

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

It's pretty much broken. The system that is designed to be there to help her and guide her through life, especially when it comes to struggling with mental health, just isn't there.

Whenever we did approach doctors about change and about how to get her help, she was either too young for programs or there were no programs at all.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

They allowed a 13-year-old to write her own safety release plans. Is that correct?

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Sarah MacDonald

That's correct.

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

She wrote on that plan, and was a very manipulative little girl.

My question is, why was a child allowed to write her own safety release plan when doctors are supposed to be doing that? They are the adults. They are the ones deciding on how her safety is supposed to be—not a child, and not a child who's unwell.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

You were powerless.

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

Absolutely.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

From the time she ended up on the streets to her death, how long was that?

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Sarah MacDonald

It was almost four weeks.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Her drugs of choice were Molly and fentanyl, correct?

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

They were Molly, fentanyl or anything she could get her hands on, really.

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Sarah MacDonald

Molly was her DOC.

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

It was her drug of choice, yes.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Are safe injection and safe consumption sites working?

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Sarah MacDonald

Absolutely not.

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

No. They don't discriminate against age and they keep providing kits to these children. It's very easy access.

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Sarah MacDonald

It's everywhere. You can't go anywhere without seeing it now. It used to be taboo to see a joint being smoked on the street. Now you can walk by people smoking crack. It's disgusting.

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

We once sat at an A&W having lunch. This was at 12 o'clock in the afternoon, in broad daylight. I had to tell my stepson to literally not look out the window, because six people were sitting there cooking down their heroin to be able to inject it. It was right outside the window where we were having lunch.

That's not acceptable. That's not what I call safe.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Have our communities become less safe in recent years?

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Lance Charles

Absolutely. I believe they're getting even more unsafe as the days pass.

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Mr. Doherty, and thank you, Mr. Charles.

Next is Ms. Brière for six minutes.

Élisabeth Brière Liberal Sherbrooke, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Ms. MacDonald and Mr. Charles, you have my deepest sympathy. I share your pain. I salute your courage in sharing this heartbreaking story.

What do you think should be done to involve parents in prevention work to protect our Canadian youth?

11:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Sarah MacDonald

We need more rights over our children. We need to be able to stand up for them and advocate for them—not for them to advocate for themselves when they're too young. We're supposed to be their legal guardians. We're supposed to take care of them. We need to do so. We need that authority back.

Lance Charles

As it sits right now, we're just guardians of the government's children. They're not even ours.

Élisabeth Brière Liberal Sherbrooke, QC

Did you know where to go to seek help or to seek services?