Maybe there's an acceptable level of rodent feces and urine that Mr. Ellis has for a natural health product facility. I don't have that. If rat poop and urine are in a facility, then you can debate how much it was. Maybe if there's only a certain amount of rat poop and urine, that's enough for you. It's not enough for me.
There's an instance that, when the U.S. FDA tells us this, yes, we can stop importing any more, but anything that's on the other side of the border and that's on store shelves, we can't do anything about it. Vanessa's Law allows us to take those products off the shelves. That's what's so critical. We lack the ability today.
Here's the second most important point. Let's talk about that facility. The maximum fine the courts can issue right now is only $5,000. I would say that's a cost of doing business. Why have a clean or healthy site producing products if the worst thing a court can do to you is to give you a $5,000 fine? The courts need the ability to scale those fines to make sure that bad actors are appropriately punished.