Evidence of meeting #146 for Health in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was you're.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Catherine Ngando Edimo
Eric Costen  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Heather Jeffrey  President, Public Health Agency of Canada
Celia Lourenco  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health
Jocelyne Voisin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

That's your record.

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

That's not true.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

That is your record.

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

What are you asking about Doug Ford? What do you think the provincial government in Ontario should do?

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Is Doug Ford in front of me right now? You're the Minister of Health.

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Right. What we did was sign agreements with every province and every territory. It was $200 billion—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Then out of 30 countries.... Are you happy with that?

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

—that included metrics in every single....

Look, I am not happy or satisfied with where we are in health care, but the point is that we have one of the best health systems in the world. When it comes to primary care, we can do much better, and we are, but provinces have to do their fair share. Not holding provinces to account is not responsible—

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Minister.

Mr. Doherty, go ahead, please.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Minister, under your management of this file, seven million Canadians are without a doctor. What have you done? What measurable steps have you taken in the year and a half that you've been the Minister of Health to make sure that Canadians have access to nurses and doctors? What have you done?

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

I wish I had 20 minutes to answer that, because it's a very long answer.

The first one starts with agreements with every province, every territory, $200 billion and common indicators across the system. With those common indicators are commitments specifically on doctors and nurses and improvements in primary care.

The first CIHI data out last year—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Seven million Canadians—

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

I believe that I still have about five or 10 seconds.

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Yes, keep going.

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

The first CIHI data, the baseline report last year, shows every province and every jurisdiction, almost without exception, ahead in doctors and nurses. When you take a look at the investments that we're making.... I just talked about Bill C-72, our health data. I can't say it fast enough because I have so much to say on it. It's great news.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Do you have a mandate letter?

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Yes, I do, absolutely. It's a continuation of the preceding mandate letter.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Minister, you've been in this role for a year and a half, yet Canadians have yet to see what your mandate letter is. Who sets your priorities?

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

I think that at the beginning, I enumerated my priorities very clearly. They are pharmacare, dental care and data transformation.

Where do you stand on Bill C-72? Where do you stand on dental care? Where do you stand on pharmacare? What is your position? How are you going to fix—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Minister, in a year's time, you'll have lots of time to ask all the questions.

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

No, I won't, because you'll still be in opposition, because you can't answer questions about what you're going to do for health care. What are you going to do on health care? How are you going to fix those problems? What is your policy—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Minister—

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Mr. Doherty, please—

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

What is your policy solution? Do you have any? No.

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Mr. Doherty, please—