Well, typically we don't initiate it. Usually it comes to us via the deputy minister's office, often at the request of the minister's office.
In this instance, since no such attempts were forthcoming, I reached out myself through text to the chief of staff, emails to the chief of staff and calls to the senior policy director in the minister's office. I also have a senior management colleague who made her own efforts to reach out through, I believe, the deputy minister's office to arrange such a meeting. Again, nothing came of those efforts.