Yes, for sure. That's where things started to basically unravel.
When you're meeting 13 times with the industry and zero times with an agency within your own portfolio, I don't think good things can come from that generally. That doesn't include the meetings that were also held between industry and Health Canada officials at the bureaucratic level.
Again, we met with our counterparts at Health seven times over the course of those consultations. At no time were we told that that there was any concern about either the substance of the guidelines or the process surrounding them.