To your first point, I'm very surprised to hear her say that no efforts were made to contact the minister, because I made multiple efforts and I kept her apprised of those efforts. I have a documentary record that corroborates the fact that I did make those efforts.
I think intelligent people can disagree on substantive matters of law and policy. That's just the way things are. I was not in agreement with Madame Bourassa Forcier at the time, and obviously Professor Herder wasn't either. I think it was that lack of agreement that ultimately led the acting chairperson to step down, which is her right under the circumstances.