There were cuts made by successive governments, most particularly by the Conservatives, who cut deeply into these areas. I think that's one of the things we have to be very careful about in public health. The Conservatives talk about cutting, so they have to cut. You can cut and cut in public health, but when you cut, you don't always see the impacts of those cuts right away.
When you have a public health emergency, or when, over the span of time, you have the impact of underinvesting in public health.... Of course, having those cuts ends up being much more costly and damaging.