Evidence of meeting #13 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was immigration.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Voisin  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health
Park  Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs , Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Baird  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Aaron Burry  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Dental Association
Keri McAdoo  Chief Executive Officer, Physician Assessment Centre of Excellence
Peter Nickerson  Past Board Chair and Dean, Max Rady College of Medicine, University of Manitoba, Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada

11:35 a.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Louise Baird

Our communications group in the department issues tweets and uses other social media to talk about immigration to Canada. Some of the things they include in that communication would be the situation in Canada. Obviously, there are a lot of things to consider if you're thinking about a big move to another country. It was part of some of those efforts to talk about not only the process in getting here but what Canada is like.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Okay.

Does the immigration department or, in this case, the communications department pay for any advertisements promoting our health care system to non-Canadians?

11:35 a.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Louise Baird

There's nothing that I am aware of. I'm not sure that I can say that categorically, but there's nothing I am aware of that would have been paid advertising.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Could you table that information on how the communications department works with health care?

11:35 a.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Is the minister aware of these communications?

11:40 a.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Louise Baird

I don't know if she would be aware. She would not be aware of some of the day-to-day routine communications that go out from the department.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Just so that we're clear on what I'm asking to be tabled, could you table with the committee all advertisements and social media posts relating to the promotion of Canada's health care system that the immigration department has published since 2020, including all costs associated with them? Thank you.

Does the immigration department conduct a specific analysis of Canada's existing health care capacity prior to setting immigration levels, yes or no?

11:40 a.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Louise Baird

I'm not sure there's a yes or no answer. I can answer it to the best of my ability.

We do extensive analysis and consultation. Looking at health care capacity was certainly one of the things we looked at, in close collaboration with provinces and territories.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Could you table that analysis as well? That would be appreciated.

Is a labour market impact assessment required prior to approving Saudi-funded visa trainees to train in Canadian hospitals?

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Soyoung Park

A labour market impact assessment is not required for visa trainees.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

A labour market impact assessment is a check in the system to make sure that there are no Canadians available.

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Soyoung Park

Yes...for the temporary worker program.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

It's to assess and to make sure that there are no Canadians available to fill those spots.

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Soyoung Park

That's correct. Under the TFW program, there is a labour market assessment test.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Yes.

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Soyoung Park

We also—

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

That's good.

I have another question.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

You have eight seconds, Mr. Mazier.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

How many work permits did the immigration department approve last year for Saudi-funded visa trainees to train in Canadian hospitals? If you don't have that information, please table it.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you. The time is up.

I now go to Mr. Eyolfson for the Liberals.

You have five minutes, please.

Doug Eyolfson Liberal Winnipeg West, MB

Thank you, Chair.

This was confirmed earlier, but I want to ensure again that it's on the record, as it has been brought up again. I will confirm that these visa trainees, these Saudi residents coming in, are not taking spots away from Canadian trainees. These are extra spots funded by the Saudi government in addition to funding to the medical schools. They do not take spots from Canadians who would be training and staying. Is that correct?

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Soyoung Park

That is correct. Those are additional spots. They're not just funded by the Saudi government—

Doug Eyolfson Liberal Winnipeg West, MB

It's by other governments as well, yes.

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Soyoung Park

The agreements are between the medical institutions and the governments.