Evidence of meeting #15 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was infection.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Magnish  Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS
Dhami  Chief Pharmacy Officer, Canadian Society of Healthcare-Systems Pharmacy
Stinson  Program Manager, Infection Prevention and Control, Waterloo Regional Health Network, Infection Prevention and Control Canada
Elsayed  Infectious Diseases Physician, Western University
Wuerz  Infectious Diseases Physician, Winnipeg Regional Health Authority

11:30 a.m.

Infectious Diseases Physician, Western University

Sameer Elsayed

—acquired in hospital settings, while the remaining 25% occur through environmental exposure, international travel and direct contact with animals.

Fortunately, several concrete steps have been taken by the Government of Canada and provincial and territorial governments to mitigate the burden of AMR by supporting initiatives that promote the judicious use of antimicrobials. In this regard, the pan-Canadian action plan on antimicrobial resistance was launched in 2023, and is built on five pillars: research and innovation, surveillance, leadership, infection prevention and control, and antimicrobial stewardship.

However, there are still gaps that need to be addressed, including expedited regulatory approval for new antimicrobials, increased restrictions—

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'll ask you to wrap up, please. You can elaborate on it during the question and answer period.

I'm sorry.

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Infectious Diseases Physician, Western University

Sameer Elsayed

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I go now to Winnipeg Regional Health Authority and Dr. Terry Wuerz, infectious diseases physician.

Dr. Wuerz, you have five minutes.

Terry Wuerz Infectious Diseases Physician, Winnipeg Regional Health Authority

Madam Chair, vice-chairs, honourable members of the committee, thank you for the invitation to speak today.

My name is Dr. Terry Wuerz, and I'm a practising infectious diseases physician from Winnipeg.

Antibiotics are foundational to modern medicine. They're not just treatments for infections; they're enablers of routine and life-saving care. Every day in Canada antibiotics make it possible to safely perform surgical procedures such as joint replacements and C-sections, chemotherapy and immunosuppressive therapy for cancer and autoimmune diseases, organ transplantation, intensive care interventions and safe care during premature labour or neonatal complications. Without effective antibiotics, these cornerstones of modern health care become unsafe or impossible.

However, the effectiveness of antibiotics is not guaranteed. We are already seeing them diminish.

One way to think about antibiotics is as a finite resource. I often describe them as a trust fund. Every time we prescribe one, we withdraw a little from that fund. When antibiotics are used appropriately, they save lives. When they are overused, misused, or used in situations where they provide no benefit, antibiotic resistance accelerates. If we don't reinvest in this resource through careful stewardship and access to new drugs, we risk stealing from the future to treat patients today. The consequence of that erosion is visible on the front lines.

In Manitoba and across Canada, we're seeing infections that no longer respond to first-line antibiotics, more frequent use of toxic or costly last-line drugs and sharply rising rates of resistant infections in both hospitals and in the community. Increasingly, we're encountering cases where no antibiotics work at all. These infections are caused by totally drug-resistant organisms—bacteria resistant to every available antibiotic in Canada. When that happens, we may be left with only one option, source control, meaning the physical removal of infected tissue. In the most severe cases, that could mean amputation of an infected limb. These are devastating outcomes for our patients and their families, and they represent the direction our health care system is headed if we don't act now.

We know what interventions reduce resistance and protect patients. The most effective is antimicrobial stewardship: the coordinated effort to ensure the right antibiotic is used only when necessary at the correct dose and duration. Stewardship programs save lives, reduce adverse drug events, shorten hospital stays and decrease the development of resistance. There are also cost savings for the health care system. Yet, despite the evidence, stewardship programs across Canada are chronically underfunded.

In my own province of Manitoba, including in our largest tertiary care hospitals, there is no dedicated stable funding for antimicrobial stewardship programs. This means that programs operate intermittently, rely on voluntary effort, or disappear when the temporary funding ends. We cannot protect antibiotics without protecting the programs that ensure they're used safely and appropriately.

Another challenge is access to new antimicrobials. Canada lags behind peer nations in bringing new antibiotics to market. Only a small fraction of newly developed antibiotics ever reach Canadian clinicians, and when they do, the path to reimbursement and formulary access is often delayed by years. This leaves clinicians caring for patients with highly resistant infections with very few options. The federal government already has a road map, the pan-Canadian action plan on antimicrobial resistance. It was released in 2023 and outlines the right priorities: stewardship, research, innovation and coordinated leadership across federal, provincial and territorial partners. What it does not yet include is implementation funding, timelines or mechanisms to ensure stewardship programs exist wherever antibiotics are prescribed.

To make meaningful progress, I would highlight three actionable federal priorities.

One, fund and standardize antimicrobial stewardship programs in all health care settings: acute care, long-term care and community practice. Stewardship is one of the most cost-effective interventions we have.

Two, support rapid access to new and effective antimicrobials through streamlined regulatory pathways and incentives.

Three, enable national coordination of antimicrobial resistance policy and implementation.

Antibiotics made modern medicine possible. If we protect them, Canadians will continue to benefit for generations. If we fail to protect them, we will see more preventable deaths, more avoidable amputations, more treatment failures and rising health care costs.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you very much, Dr. Wuerz.

I'll now go to the question and answer segment. In these segments, the first one is a six-minute segment, which means that the six minutes is for the question and the answer. Please be as concise as you can, everybody, so that we can get in as many answers as we can.

I'll begin with the Conservatives and Dan Mazier for six minutes, please.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you to the witnesses for coming here today.

Mr. Magnish, you mentioned that Canada's national strategic stockpile contains expired medical gowns. What evidence supports this?

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Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS

Scot Magnish

We can go back to the pandemic in 2022. In 2022, I was part of a team that delivered the last isolation gowns to the national emergency strategic stockpile. That was in March. They had a two-year shelf life, so those gowns expired in 2024.

I can tell you that as a company interested in this market, we watch the CanadaBuys site very closely. That's where the Government of Canada tenders all of its procurement. We know that in September 2022 there was an RFI on CanadaBuys looking for ways to dispose of the stockpile, but there was never an RFP, request for proposal, ever issued.

We also know from CanadaBuys that the government not only has yet to tender that RFP or RFSO, but has renewed contracts with the same companies that let us down during the pandemic. They've extended those contracts, the last one as recently as in August of this year.

While there may be product in the national emergency strategic stockpile, there are definitely no gowns. What material we do have, we also know is being sold through GCSurplus.ca, which is where the Government of Canada disposes of surplus product. They created a new category on that website this year for PPE, and they're selling masks, gloves and other products there for pennies on the dollar.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Do you believe it's appropriate or even safe for Canada to rely on expired protective gowns in the event of a health emergency?

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Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS

Scot Magnish

No, it's absolutely not safe. Those gowns have a shelf life for a reason. Ostensibly, it's because they will perform at their advertised safety levels for that period of time, after which the amount of protection they offer drops.

We also know that a significant number of gowns were sold to the Canadian government with false lab reports, so we don't even really know how those gowns could perform in the first place. It's a big mystery. We do know that many of them are flammable.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Mr. Magnish, what proportion of the protective equipment in Canada's national strategic stockpile currently comes from China?

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Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS

Scot Magnish

Right now, if Canada were to procure again through one of those companies that was on the 2020 requests for RFSOs, requests for standing offers, all of those companies import from China. If the Government of Canada deemed it necessary to procure gowns, which it ought to because they have none, right now they would all come from China.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

One hundred per cent?

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Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS

Scot Magnish

One hundred per cent.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Wow. Does this reliance on PPE from China create a health and safety risk?

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Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS

Scot Magnish

I believe it does when you take a look at the quality of the product that is being imported. It's, as I said, often inferior. It's not made in an MDEL facility. We know that much of it is highly flammable. We know the labs are suspect.

It really comes down to a price point and also what the system is used to. The system is used to procuring through these large medical device suppliers, and it's incredibly price sensitive. As everybody around the table knows, you don't want to lay off nurses so you can buy better gowns if everybody is happy with the gowns. The thing is, they ought not to be.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Mr. Magnish, the media reported that Health Canada lost more than $20 million in health supplies from Canada's national emergency stockpile. Unfortunately, the government won't provide the specific details on this, citing national security. I think Canadians deserve to know why the government lost $20 million. Is this a national security issue or is this a bigger issue that the government is trying to hide?

11:40 a.m.

Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS

Scot Magnish

I can't speak to the issue of the vaccines, because we don't make vaccines; however, we do make PPE. I don't know how it could be national security if it's advertised on CanadaBuys. If the offers to procure are made in a public way, in a public forum, then, ostensibly, it's not national security. It's in the public's interest. I think that's why there is so much transparency there and why that website was created.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Mr. Magnish, based on your experience, what is the biggest concern with how the federal government is managing Canada's national strategic stockpile today?

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Director of Communications and Public Affairs, ATMIS

Scot Magnish

I believe it isn't. I believe that they have essentially allowed it to expire.

What they have, they're selling off at pennies on the dollar. They've renewed contracts with Metro Logistics, their warehousing company, to continue to warehouse expired product at a cost of $34 million a year. As a taxpayer, I take umbrage with that. This is the second year that this has happened, so it's $68 million to store expired PPE.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Thank you, Mr. Magnish.

Thank you, Chair.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you very much.

I'll now go to the Liberals and to Helena Jaczek.

Ms. Jaczek, you have six minutes.

Helena Jaczek Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I'd like to start with Dr. Elsayed.

You were telling us your opinion of the 2023 pan-Canadian action plan on antimicrobial resistance. You, I think, endorsed five pillars, but you were going to explain to us what you felt were some gaps. Perhaps you could take this time to elaborate a little bit on what you see as gaps in the plan.

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Infectious Diseases Physician, Western University

Sameer Elsayed

Madam Chair, I would answer that this way. The gaps that exist right now are the expedited regulatory approval for new antimicrobials. This is urgently needed at the federal level. The delay between the availability of newer antimicrobial agents in the U.S. and Europe and their introduction to the Canadian market often exceeds seven years, if they become available at all. Many clinicians in my field rely on the Health Canada special access program to secure access to some of these newer antibiotics; however, the process isn't feasible for managing life-threatening infections. For some medications, it might be next-day delivery, but for others it might be three weeks.

There are also shipping costs involved. For some of the drugs, we have to sign a contract with the manufacturer, and that contract might involve shipping costs that are in the thousands. Again, a delay of three weeks would be unacceptable in this type of setting for a life-threatening infection.

One of the other panellists commented that since 2010 three of, I think, 15 antimicrobials have been approved by Health Canada. In the last 10 years, only one of six that are designed specifically to target the critical priority pathogens, according to the World Health Organization, have been approved by Health Canada. There was one that was just approved in May or June of this year. That's just one, but there are five or six other ones we need access to when we're going through the special access program. I don't think it's a problem with the special access process; it's just the actual delay.

The other thing that needs to be done is there needs to be an online portal for the SAP, the special access program. Right now, we deal with phone calls, faxes and paper. It's very manually labour intensive. I think that process needs to be improved so we can speed up the process and make it more transparent.

There are three other things.

The other thing I wanted to highlight is the increased use of antimicrobials in domestic agricultural practices. Antibiotics are used as growth-promoting products. The use of antibiotics in animals obviously carries itself through to the food chain, and then to humans, and then to the environment. There should be some limits on the use of antibiotics in animal husbandry.

As other panellists have mentioned, antimicrobial stewardship programs should be mandatory. Dr. Dhami commented that even though it's mandatory for acute care facilities, there's lots of variability. Some places I know don't really have a good antimicrobial stewardship program, even though they're supposed to have one.

I have in my written notes but I ran out of time to say that the antimicrobial stewardship requirements in the U.S. are different from those in Canada. In the U.S., all long-term care facilities require the implementation of an antimicrobial stewardship program. In Canada, we don't have that. This is very critical because elderly people in nursing homes bear a large burden of antimicrobial resistance, and so practices that can help mitigate unnecessary use of antibiotics are essential in that setting.

There needs to be increased funding for hospital infection control in antimicrobial stewardship programs. That's kind of related to what I already said.

Those are the four main points: expedited regulatory approval of newer antimicrobials; increased restrictions on domestic agricultural practices; mandatory antimicrobial stewardship programs going beyond the acute care facility—I also agree that they should be implemented in the community, as I believe Dr. Stinson or one of the other panellists mentioned—and then increased funding for existing hospital infection control programs and antimicrobial stewardship programs. Seventy-five per cent of the burden of antimicrobial resistant infections occurs in hospitals; the other 25% occurs in the community. Therefore, a focus on hospitals should be a priority by the government.

I appreciate the questions. I hope the answers will stimulate further discussion.

Helena Jaczek Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Thank you so much. That was very helpful.

Dr. Dhami, you made a comment related to the fact there were only three of these newer antimicrobials available in Canada, even though worldwide there were some 18, or thereabouts, available. Why is this?

What we've heard from some at the science and research committee is that some pharmaceutical companies are loath to even apply for use in Canada because the market is small and perhaps there isn't the financial incentive to invest in the Canadian need in health care.

Are you aware of what has happened in terms of access to these new antimicrobials in Canada?