Evidence of meeting #20 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was seconds.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Marjorie Michel  Minister of Health
Curtis-Micallef  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Hamzawi  President, Public Health Agency of Canada
Voisin  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health
Weber  Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health
Crowcroft  Acting Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
Hébert  President, Canadian Institutes for Health Research
Barton  Director General, Centre for Biosecurity, Regional Operations and Emergency Management Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada
Higgs  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of Health
Aung-Thin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I'm wondering whether it's intentional that you’re not understanding.

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

No, but honestly, I don’t know.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

You don’t understand it. Is that what you’re saying?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Are you talking about people who had been pre‑approved and who did not receive the services?

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Yes, they started receiving treatments and, eventually, they were denied. Other people had not yet received treatments. We're talking about 200,000 people.

This situation doesn't ring any bells. Is that what you’re saying? Am I the one informing you of this?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

No, I know that there were people who had received pre‑approvals and were told afterward that they no longer qualified for the program. That refusal was related to their income. That’s the situation.

You’re telling me about people who have had their teeth removed and so on.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I’m giving an example. You also like to give examples, when you talk about your field visits, right? I find that important.

At least, I’m explaining to you what people are telling me.

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Again, I would say that I have done a lot of field visits, and people didn’t mention that to me.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Health Canada doesn’t know today how many people have been pre-approved and subsequently denied.

Do you know or not?

4:15 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

I don’t have the figures in front of me.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Can you respond to us in writing?

4:15 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

We could respond to you in writing, but I’d say to—

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

You are the one promoting your dental care system right now, but you are unaware of its flaws.

I don’t expect it to be perfect, but right now, it seems like you don’t know what we’re talking about. I’m telling you that—

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

I know exactly what you're talking about, but I’m telling you that I'm not sure about the 200,000 people. I don’t know the number. I know there have been cases, but what you need to understand is that this program is also linked—

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Minister—

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Hold on. Let me speak.

We provide a dental care program through dentists—

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

The time is now up. I'm sorry.

Minister, I will let you answer, but the time is up.

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

—but the approval is tied to the person's income.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Okay, but it’s Health Canada that manages the program, right?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

It’s not us, the approval based on income, no.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

Ms. Konanz, it is your turn. You have five minutes, please.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Thank you, Chair.

I have some questions for the minister. I'm following up on my colleague Mr. Mazier's questions about drug consumption sites.

I know that Canadians are concerned about your department's approving supervised drug consumption sites across the country. Your department approved a consumption site in Kelowna, up the highway from my riding, that's only 60 metres from a day care, from children.

Would you listen to parents and agree with me that no supervised drug consumption sites should be opened that are close to a day care or young schoolchildren?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

As I already told your colleague, we work according to the standards set by the provinces and municipalities.

Now, when Health Canada receives a request—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

I heard that. You did answer my colleague. Thank you for that.

I'm asking you if you believe it's safe for children to be near a drug consumption site. You have the power. Is it safe?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

I have the power.