Evidence of meeting #26 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was patients.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Margot Burnell  President, Canadian Medical Association
Hughes  Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada
Trudeau  Executive Director, Médicament Québec
Martyn Judson  Addictionist, As an Individual
Mina Tadrous  Associate Professor, University of Toronto, As an Individual
Sadaf Faisal  Interim Vice-President, Public and Professional Affairs, Canadian Pharmacists Association

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Thank you.

News media reports, including in Toronto, document that several Grifols locations in Regina, Calgary and Oakville were found to be non-compliant with Health Canada regulations. Were all these regulatory non-compliances remediated?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

We operate in a highly regulated environment. We have an excellent track record across our 390 centres.

With regard to the recent inspections by Health Canada, we have submitted and implemented comprehensive corrective action plans.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

I'm sorry, Ms. Hughes. I'm looking for a yes or no.

Have the regulatory non-compliances that were reported by Health Canada been remediated?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

Yes, those findings have been remediated. We continue to co-operate fully with Health Canada to reinforce overall compliance.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

I'm a practising physician. The principle of informed consent is fundamental to my practice.

Are folks who donate at a Grifols Plasma Donation Centre informed of a potential risk of death when they donate?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

Madam Chair, yes.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

When somebody donates, are they informed that some of the donation they give may be packaged and sold for profit overseas?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

When donors consent, they are informed that the plasma collected is intended for plasma-derived medicines for Canadian Blood Services.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

They are not informed, then, that some of what they donate may be sold for profit overseas.

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

To clarify, we collect plasma on behalf of and for the benefit of Canadian Blood Services, to be manufactured in Canada with immunoglobulins exclusively for the benefit of Canadians in this country.

With the manufacturing process, we have—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

With respect, it sounds like a no. If I go donate, some of the albumin from my body will wind up overseas, to be sold for profit, and I won't be informed of this.

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

Madam Chair, that's incorrect. If you donate in Canada, the needs of Canadians are met first. All of the albumin needs for Canadians are met in this country. The oversupply can either be thrown away or be used to benefit patients outside the country.

Once again, I'll be clear that all the needs of Canadians are met in this country.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

I don't think what I said was incorrect, but thank you for explaining that again.

If I donate at a Grifols plasma centre in Canada, is any part of what I donate processed in the U.S.A.?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

Today we are working on having our Montreal domestic facility finished and available to process medicines in this country. During the transition period, we're processing at a Clayton, North Carolina, facility, which is the same facility we've been using to provide plasma-derived medicines for Canadians for more than 20 years.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Am I to understand that, if my donation goes to the North Carolina facility for processing, it's kept totally separate from all the American donations so that 100% of it returns to Canada?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

Madam Chair, yes.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

When I donate at a Grifols plasma centre, who is technically responsible for the operation of the machine? Is this person a licensed health professional, and if so, what sort of licensure do they have?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

I'm sorry. Can you repeat the question?

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Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

What sort of health professional oversees the donation and hooks me up to the plasma-donation machine?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

All operations and procedures within our plasma centres are regulated by Health Canada. This regulatory authority is also responsible for Canadian Blood Services centres.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

What sort of licensed health professional performs that? I'm sorry if I missed it. Is it a nurse or a doctor who hooks me up to a machine when I attend for my donation?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

I can take the question and provide a written response—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

You've explained that it is only albumin that would leave the country. Is Grifols currently party to any sort of agreement or undertaking to ensure that this remains the case in perpetuity?

4 p.m.

Vice-President, Sales and Commercial Operations, Grifols Canada

Mary Hughes

We have an agreement with Canadian Blood Services. There are confidentiality terms in the agreement. I cannot speak to the confidentiality of the agreement.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you. The time is up.

I now go to Mr. Eyolfson for the Liberals. You have six minutes, Doug.