Evidence of meeting #33 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was program.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Vaughan  Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway
El-Demerdash  President, Telus Health
Ensor  Strategic Advisor, Canada Health Infoway

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

According to Infoway, Shoppers Drug Mart received over $8 million for PrescribeIT. In fact, they were the largest vendor recipient of PrescribeIT funding.

Does Abhi Kalra hold any shares or stock options in Loblaw Companies Limited, yes or no?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

I don't know the answer to that.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Dr. Vaughan, Abhi Kalra also previously worked at both Oracle Canada and Deloitte.

According to Canada Health Infoway, both of these companies responded to the request for expressions of interest to take over PrescribeIT.

Will you table all conflict of interest declarations and recusals filed by Mr. Kalra over the life of the PrescribeIT program, please?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

Can I ask for clarification of what specifically—

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

I'll stop the watch, and I will ask the honourable member if....

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

You did talk about tabling conflicts of interest.

Obviously, these people had previous experience of what they were actually bidding on, what they were working on. If they did declare.... You did mention before that there was self-declaring of a conflict of interest. That's what I'm trying to establish.

Can you table their declarations of any conflicts of interest? Please table that information.

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

Thank you. The answer is yes.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Dr. Vaughan, the chief financial officer of Canada Health Infoway, David Fast, joined Canada Health Infoway in 2024. Prior to this, he was the president of AGFA HealthCare North America.

Michael Green was the president and CEO of AGFA HealthCare for the Americas region before joining Canada Health Infoway.

Was the CFO position competitively posted, and what was the hiring process for it?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

At that time, as I recall, we were looking for an interim chief financial officer. He was brought in as an interim role, which he still has.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Can you table with the committee how many applicants applied for the most recent CFO position at Canada Health Infoway?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

If the committee looks for that, we would be happy to provide it.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Dr. Vaughan, how much money has Canada Health Infoway provided to AGFA HealthCare since 2017?

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

Ms. Ensor, go ahead.

4:50 p.m.

Strategic Advisor, Canada Health Infoway

Tania Ensor

I honestly don't recall any detail.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

After all these questions, who enforces the conflict of interest?

I can sit back here, and I can say, “Oh, I'm sorry,” but if I wink-wink and I sit at the board table.... Who actually enforces this? How do you do that?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

The corporate counsel would be the one who oversees that.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Where do they sit—corporate counsel?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

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4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

I guess I'll go back to the CFO.

We want to know if that was actually a competitive process.

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

At that particular time, we were looking for someone for an interim role, and that is still the case. He was brought in in an interim role.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Dr. Vaughan, last month Michael Green told this committee that this salary was “publicly disclosed”. Can you confirm whether Mr. Green's compensation was publicly disclosed on Infoway's website during that meeting, yes or no?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

As I recall, that was not the case. It was subsequently rectified.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

So he lied?

4:50 p.m.

Board Chair, Canada Health Infoway

Peter Vaughan

I think it was an error.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

According to the archives on your website, the compensation disclosure hyperlink was not posted on Infoway's website as of March 11. Furthermore, the metadata of the earliest version of the disclosure we received suggests the document was created on April 24, three days after Mr. Green's committee appearance.