Evidence of meeting #5 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was program.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Marjorie Michel  Minister of Health
Orencsak  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Weber  Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health
Hamzawi  President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Quebec is already into its sixth reform on this issue. As a Quebecker, you know what I'm talking about.

What I am asking you is how the provinces, coming out of the pandemic, can hire more people when the indexation of system costs, which are used amongst other things to pay employees, will decrease over the next 10 years. How can we hire more people who will have their credentials recognized if your share decreases and, in 10 years, 19¢ of every dollar will come from the federal government?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

The provinces have signed the agreements that we have reached with them, and we will continue to work with them in the coming years.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Are you all done? You have time left.

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Do I still have time to speak?

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Yes, you have 20 seconds now.

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

So I'm going to add a comment.

The provinces may have signed the agreements, but what they were asking for was 35¢ per dollar. They also asked for $28 billion in new funding a year, or $280 billion over 10 years, and the federal government gave them $4.6 billion a year, or $46 billion over 10 years.

How do you expect us to be able to provide early prevention in critical areas such as cancer and cardiology in the wake of the pandemic? Currently, because of this federal decision—

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Mr. Thériault—

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

—there are people who are getting cancer and will die from it.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Now you're 20 seconds over.

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

As I said, the provinces have signed the agreements. I am working closely with them. The provinces know that the federal government is there for them. Whatever the case, I am here to work with all the provinces as best I can, given the limits of the fiscal envelope available.

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

So there is no additional money. That's why it wasn't in Mr. Carney's speech.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Come on, Mr. Thériault, we have more questions here.

Thank you very much, Minister.

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

Thank you very much.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Thanks for extending too.

We'll take a break for a couple of minutes to let the minister leave the room, and then we'll move to the officials.

I'm up next for five minutes.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

We start the next round with the officials.

Ms. Weber, do the supervised consumption sites that Health Canada approves distribute needles and pipes, yes or no?

Kendal Weber Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health

Health Canada does approve the exemption request that comes in from the community, and some of the sites—

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

I asked about needles. I asked, specifically. It's just a yes or no answer.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health

Kendal Weber

We don't approve the needle distribution. Some of the sites that come forward to seek an exemption offer programming in which they have harm reduction tools, which would include clean needles and syringes for the individuals who come in, bring their own substances to the site and are overseen by health practitioners to avoid overdose.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

I'll ask the question again because I'm confused here. Do the supervised consumption sites that Health Canada approves distribute needles and pipes, yes or no?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health

Kendal Weber

Some sites will offer harm reduction tools for the individuals—

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Yes or no, do they distribute?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health

Kendal Weber

There are sites that do provide harm reduction tools, including—

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Are those needles?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health

Kendal Weber

They do include needles.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Do they include pipes?