Thank you.
How much of this disjoint is from not paying people enough? In my community I have people coming in and saying, we can't get workers because now we have this big call centre industry that's developed and we can't get people in here.
My first thought—I don't always articulate it—is that if you pay them more, you'll probably get them back, because what you're offering is actually a better workplace environment, in those terms. I often wonder whether, in the old marketplace that we often hold up as the “hidden hand” of the force out there, sometimes getting people into your industry is a factor of how much you pay them. If it is a highly paid job, they'll do the education and training and will come and work for you.
I was in New Brunswick talking about child care and was shocked to discover that there were lots of people moving into child care, but as soon as they got an opportunity to work at a call centre, which was paying $10 or $12 an hour, they were moving to the call centre out of child care, which in my view would have been a much more satisfying career, perhaps.
But that is not the question I wanted to ask. I want to ask Susan this in terms of her sector. What is the impact of the cuts to the volunteer and non-profit sector and the total demolishing of the social economy initiative? What's that going to do to your sector?