One's perception of waste will depend on where one sits. Was there evidence that these programs were wasteful? I take a look at the list. Is the program for RCMP training on driving impaired by drugs a waste or a frill? I don't think so.
Is the recruitment of volunteers, many of whom are delivering federal government programming directly or indirectly, a frill? I would argue not. I would argue that Canadians don't believe so.
Are there frills? I don't know, because I haven't consulted with the organizations involved and their clients. That's the problem many of us are talking about today. There was no consultation. There was no opportunity for us to produce evidence. We see programs that we in the sector believe are important to Canadians suddenly categorized as bad value for money, or non-core. We have very few vehicles within which we can have a conversation about where that came from. I think that's unfortunate.