Everyone is skeptical when they hear that; even I was at first. We did a training report, and we asked what would be the way for members to put more money into training. The result was that the best way to have more money for training would be to have a lower tax burden. I do not disagree at all with what I'm hearing from my co-presenters here this morning, but the fact is that small and medium-sized businesses have limited resources, given the other high costs they have now. It is very difficult for them to put money into basic skills. They need employees to have that skills set. They want to train. They want to put money into informal training.
I'll leave with this message. The fact is that we're losing workers due to out-migration. It's a very difficult thing for small and medium-sized businesses these days. Training is very important to them in order to keep these workers here. We're losing people. I have members who are garage owners and who are losing people. The other day, I spoke to a garage owner with four people who has lost two people to Alberta. He's trying to train someone now. He has to train a fellow who just graduated from high school through informal training in the workplace. It's a serious issue. It is of significant concern to our organization.