If you don't mind, I only have five minutes for all those questions I have. I bet Mr. Lessard will be anxious to hear your answer on that point he raised, though.
Let me turn to Ms. Gillard for a moment. You asked a question earlier about whether we were having success in relation to reversing the cuts. So far, there is no success, but this committee has passed a resolution, as you know. I think, for example, that our chairman actually is one of those subversives in his own party who is campaigning, I hope, to have the minister change her mind on this. I don't know if he is as subversive as Garth Turner, mind you.