It is a piece of the whole picture of how we try to talk about literacy, because people want to define it as an adult problem. Mr. Loder was the one who made that comment, and I'll defer to him afterwards, if you like. From our perspective, what happens is that formal systems tend to box people in, and that's just the problem with systems. So what happens is that people who aren't fitting into that particular box fall outside the system. Of course, today we find that with much greater social issues and with social demands on children within the K-12 systems, they tend to fall outside when they don't have supports at home. Again, that can be linked back to adults with low literacy.
I think, basically, it's systemic. There are problems within the system; it can't always be flexible to adapt. What's very unique about literacy skills is that we tend to try to move to where the learners' needs are, as opposed to forcing them to come to us.