Evidence of meeting #20 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pei.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Dempsey  Vice-President, Economics, National Council of Women of Canada
Susan Nasser  Executive Director, Nova Scotia Association of Social Workers
Tova Sherman  Executive Director, reachAbility, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.
Brian Tapper  Board Member, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.
Leo Cheverie  CUPE - PEI (Canadian Union of Public Employees)

8:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Welcome. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), this is a study on employability in Canada.

Once again, I would like to thank the witnesses for taking time out of their busy schedules to come here and present to us today on issues pertaining to employability.

I would just mention, Ms. Dempsey, that we got your brief, but we do not have it translated yet. It will be provided to the members once the translation is done.

Likewise, to any other organization or group that presented briefs, we'll get them translated and out to the members as soon as the translation is done.

Ms. Dempsey, we'll ask you to start. You have seven minutes. Thank you very much.

8:40 a.m.

Karen Dempsey Vice-President, Economics, National Council of Women of Canada

Thank you.

The National Council of Women of Canada appreciates the opportunity to participate in these consultations on employability in Canada.

I would like to take a minute to tell you a bit about NCWC. We were founded in 1893--that's 113 years ago. We're a non-profit, non-partisan organization of women's groups, representing a very large section of our population with diverse occupations, languages, origins, and cultures, and reflecting a cross-section of public opinion. We are composed of 18 local councils, five provincial councils, and 28 nationally organized societies.

We hold category two consultative status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations, ECOSOC. In addition, we're a federate of the International Council of Women, which is an international NGO holding category one consultative status with ECOSOC.

As per the criteria we received from the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities, we address the following issues in no particular order: the recognition of foreign credentials, equal benefits for part-time workers, appointments of women to federal decision-making bodies in proportionate numbers, apprentice training in Canada, training programs for women, pay equity, position of the sole parent under the Adult Occupational Training Act, child care deductions for people on unemployment insurance in training programs, child care, adult literacy, workplace literacy, job sharing and employment, persons with disabilities, and older workers.

Equal opportunity is defined through www.equalopportunity.on.ca as: (1) the absence of discrimination in the workplace based on race, colour, age, gender, national origin, religion, or mental or physical disability; (2) freedom from discrimination in employment on the basis of race, colour, disability, age, or sometimes sexual orientation; and (3) the right to equivalent opportunities for employment regardless of race, colour, sex, or national origin.

As we look at a variety of issues in this brief, inequities in employment must also be addressed. For example, women earn on average approximately 72¢ for each dollar that a man makes for work of equal value. While freedom from discrimination has been legislated, along with pay equity, the fact remains that discrimination still exists, as does pay inequity.

Twenty-five years ago, Canada signed and ratified the UN convention on the elimination of all forms of discrimination against women, which is commonly called CEDAW for short, and during the election Stephen Harper signed the CEDAW pledge, as did all other party leaders. However, he has now cut funding to the operating budget for Status of Women Canada. SWC has been an instrumental aid for women's progress towards gender equality, as have many women's organizations. Also, the Harper government has recently let women's groups know that they will no longer receive funding from SWC for the advocacy, lobbying, and research work that they do. How can Canadian women now ensure that they will continue to progress towards complete gender equality?

Regarding pay equity, in 1977 the federal government passed the Canadian Human Rights Act, guaranteeing equal pay for work of equal value, and in September 1977 set up the Canadian Human Rights Commission to administer the act.

However, not all employed women currently receive equal pay for work of equal value. We urge the federal government to (a) replace the existing federal pay equity scheme with comprehensive and proactive pay equity legislation; (b) affirm that pay equity is a fundamental human right protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom and international human rights law; (c) devise effective methodology for job evaluation, job comparison, wage adjustments, and the timing of corrective payments; and (d) have easily accessible procedures for non-unionized women, as well as for part-time, casual, seasonal, and contractual workers.

The Canadian taxpayer has already invested in the necessary equivalent figures, which were developed by Status of Women Canada.

Equal benefits for part-time workers.... Many employees will never attain full employment, either by choice or because of barriers to their participation. Over the past several years, the fastest-growing segment of the labour force has been part-time workers. They are usually the first to be laid off; they have no job security and therefore are at more risk of becoming unemployed and even homeless.

Whereas the majority of part-time workers are women, whereas Canada and the provinces agreed to support and implement the UN convention on the elimination of all forms of discrimination against women, and whereas the Canada Labour Code covers only federal employees, leaving all other workers to be governed by provincial-territorial labour standards legislation--

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Ms. Dempsey, you have only about 45 seconds left.

8:45 a.m.

Vice-President, Economics, National Council of Women of Canada

Karen Dempsey

Okay.

NCWC urges the Government of Canada to define and regulate and legislate the various types of work, including but not necessarily limited to full-time, part-time, temporary, and contract work; amend the regulations of the Canada Labour Code and all other relevant legislation or regulations, so all types of part-time workers receive the same protection, rights, and benefits on a pro-rated basis as those guaranteed full-time workers; and honour the commitment to abide by and implement economic equality for women based on the principles of CEDAW.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

That's all the time we have. Thank you very much.

We're going to move to Ms. Nasser now, seven minutes, please. Thank you very much.

8:45 a.m.

Susan Nasser Executive Director, Nova Scotia Association of Social Workers

Thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to talk with you today.

I am the executive director of the Nova Scotia Association of Social Workers. We are the professional association for 1,600 social workers in Nova Scotia. We regulate and strengthen the profession, and we have a mandate to pursue social justice. In fact, our code of ethics calls upon us to engage in social action activities.

Social workers are well positioned to see the impact of government policies on people's lives. Our collective experience as front-line workers has reinforced our resolve to push for changes that would create a more just and equitable society.

Changes in the labour market over the past decade or two have had a significantly detrimental effect on many employees. Precarious forms of employment are increasing, with more temporary work, part-time contracts, and seasonal jobs. This means that fewer workers are able to obtain jobs with enough pay, enough hours, and enough benefits to allow families to make ends meet.

Low wages mean that even people who are working full-time for the whole year are stuck in poverty. Almost one in three children living in poverty now in Canada has at least one family member who is working full-time for the full year.

There are great difficulties in transitioning from social assistance into paid employment, for a number of people. All of these issues that we've just heard about have a differential impact on women, in particular on single parents who find themselves struggling in low-paying insecure jobs or unable to secure work at all because of the lack of child care or other important supports.

I'll just jump right to our recommendations. First of all, we'd like to recommend that the government implement progressive increases to the minimum wage in sectors of the labour market where the federal government has jurisdiction to bring it to a more adequate level. Not only will this help those who directly benefit from such increases, but it will also be a model for employers not governed by federal legislation. The United Nations Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights goes beyond that in urging the government of Canada to adopt all necessary measures to ensure that minimum wages are increased throughout Canada to a level enabling workers and their families to enjoy a decent standard of living.

Two, we'd like to recommend that the government restore eligibility for employment insurance, so a much larger proportion of workers is covered. With recent changes in recent years in eligibility criteria, far fewer people are able to collect EI benefits than was previously the case. The estimates vary, but Campaign 2000 estimates 38% of unemployed people have access to EI, which leaves a large proportion of people who actually can't access those benefits any longer. This situation has worsened the plight of low-income workers. We join with others in recommending that the eligibility criteria for EI be broadened. This would be one effective means of addressing low-income families.

We also would like to recommend that the government invest in tax measures aimed at supporting the working poor. The task force on modernizing income security for working-age adults calls on the government to create a new refundable tax benefit consisting of a basic tax credit for all low-income working-age adults and a working income supplement for low-income wage earners. While not seen as a panacea, this approach has been supported by others such as TD Economics and the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.

We urge the federal government, in consultation with others, to look at the most equitable and most effective means of better supporting low-income Canadians through the tax system. No one should have to live in poverty, including those who work full-time full-year.

We recommend that the government institute a quality early-childhood care and learning system that is universally accessible and affordable. Good quality accessible child care is a support that is needed by many, including single mothers, to make employment a viable option. The government must give this much greater priority for it to become a reality. This would really go a long way to addressing some of the barriers that women in particular face in re-entering the paid work force.

We recommend that the government create a national disability income support program. I think my next colleagues who are presenting from reachAbility will have many more details on this kind of initiative, but we support the goal of persons with disabilities to become employed. We also realize that there are people whose disabilities might really severely limit their ability to participate in the paid work force. We think it's very important to make sure that there is an income support system or supports in place so that people aren't destined to lives of poverty just because of disability.

We also recommend that the government support educational programs at all levels including programs for those with limited educational background. That's particularly important in this time and this new economy, when jobs require all kinds of new skills. A well-educated and skilled workforce is increasingly important for Canada to progress economically. As the required skill level increases and the demand for low-skill workers decreases, it becomes all the more important to provide opportunities for people at all educational and skill levels to develop to their potential.

Over the past decade or two, educational and skills development opportunities at the most basic levels have decreased. With the growing shortage of workers and the push to have fewer people dependent on social assistance, more adequate basic training programs are required.

We believe there is a very important role for the federal government to play in influencing conditions that will enable Canadians to participate in the labour market, in order that they both contribute to the good of the country and are treated fairly and compensated adequately, so that they are able to meet the needs of themselves and their families. Market forces alone cannot achieve these goals. We believe the recommendations we have made are some small but significant steps toward that end.

Thank you.

8:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much, Ms. Nasser.

We're going to move on to TEAM Work Cooperative. Who is going to be speaking?

8:50 a.m.

Tova Sherman Executive Director, reachAbility, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

We both are.

8:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

You have seven minutes.

8:50 a.m.

Brian Tapper Board Member, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Mr. Chair, committee members, TEAM Work Cooperative's goal is to facilitate the full participation of persons with disabilities in the Nova Scotia labour force.

8:50 a.m.

Executive Director, reachAbility, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Tova Sherman

In 2004 the Government of Canada stated:

People with disabilities need the chance to develop a solid foundation of learning so that they can participate fully in today’s knowledge-based society and economy. ... Skills development and learning are among the Government’s highest priorities for all Canadians, but particularly for people with disabilities and Aboriginal people, who face barriers in this area.

This is quoted from Supporting Persons With Disabilities: Advancing the inclusion of persons with disabilities 2004.

TEAM Work is the voice of a community. We are the voice of thirty agencies and member shareholders. We are the voice across disability communities, meaning that we are inclusive of all types of disability, whether physical, mental, emotional, visual, hearing, cognitive, or invisible, including cancer, Crohn's, and HIV. We are also the voice of nearly 28,000 working-aged persons with disabilities who want to work just like everybody else.

We are also the voice of disability in the Halifax Regional Municipality, and together we provide hundreds of years of combined experience in community- and capacity-building for persons with disabilities.

8:50 a.m.

Board Member, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Brian Tapper

Let me talk to you about extraordinary successes.

Literature states that if you are disabled and out of work for six months, your chances of going back are 50%. If you're disabled and out of work two years or longer, your chances of going back to work are zero. Of individuals focused on employment who contact our shareholder agencies, 70% are successful. Over 500 clients per year obtain employment in the Halifax Regional Municipality, and more than 500 clients are engaged in employment-enhancing activities.

Provincially, specialized agencies called disability partnerships report over $10 million in system savings, based on 800 jobs created in 2005-06. Technology is the great equalizer for people with disabilities. Technology can allow somebody to go from being a systems user to being independent.

TEAM Work is also involved in promoting partnerships in the business community. Teamwork has been the driving force behind the Greater Halifax Business Leadership Network, businesses committed to hiring people because it makes economic sense, not because it's charity.

We believe specialization works. The focus of TEAM Work and shareholders on people with disabilities has led to expertise in matching clients and employers. The cooperative promotes sharing of information through successful coordination and dissemination of information with our network of stakeholders and community partners.

There has been a development of specialized, industry-specific work, and skills training programs that have taken place in the hotel, grocery, banking, and call centre sectors. Of 125 people who received training in one year, 85% of them were still employed.

8:55 a.m.

Executive Director, reachAbility, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Tova Sherman

Our specialization also includes partnering, because we believe providing educational opportunities for clients, employers, professionals, and government is good business. We understand that employers and co-workers have concerns around employing persons with disabilities, and we address them through shareholder initiatives, such as disability awareness training.

First-hand understanding is key to our success. We understand the employment challenges of persons with disabilities because we seek feedback not just from service providers and professionals, but from the persons with disabilities themselves. We search out best practices.

We are here today because we have a viable workforce. Nearly 200,000 Nova Scotians between the age of 15 and 64, or 20%, self-identify as living with disability, and that's just those who are self-identified. In the Halifax Regional Municipality alone, over 54% of those aged 15 to 64 who self-identified are still not attached to the labour force.

With the current skills shortage, we have to ask why the employment rate for persons with disabilities remains so high. The fact is that interventions and resources are not readily available for those unattached—and when I say unattached, I mean those unable to access EI. In fact, 70% of persons with disabilities who want to work are unattached.

8:55 a.m.

Board Member, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Brian Tapper

The Opportunities Fund is the only intervention available for those persons with disabilities who have had no EI attachment. This budget has been static since 1997. The $30 million allocated to this fund has been eroded by inflation and should be $36.5 million today to deliver the same level of service with no growth.

The member agencies and beyond are working to full capacity. The $900,000 allocated through the Opportunities Fund in Metro has been eroded by 21.13% in 2006.

8:55 a.m.

Executive Director, reachAbility, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Tova Sherman

In fact, youth employment funding, in terms of federal funding, has completely stopped in the HRM as of October 2005. Not one youth program since October 2005 has been funded by Service Canada, and we're concerned about these transition youth, because they have very little experience, and frankly, they are unattached.

Also, employers state lack of work experience as the number one barrier to employment. How do we provide that individual with work experience if we simply don't have the resources? We know that you will agree that successful employment programs require funding and policy that recognizes that persons with disabilities may vary in their timelines and the supports required to achieve employment outcomes. People don't come with instructions.

Also, we understand that specialized support, combined with business partnerships, will obviously improve representation for persons with disabilities. We believe in a true P3 partnership combining the expertise of the public, non-profit, and private sectors to create innovative and successful employment initiatives.

With all this in mind, we do have some specific recommendations.

8:55 a.m.

Board Member, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Brian Tapper

We're asking that the government recommit and increase the Opportunities Fund to a level that keeps pace with inflation and increased consumer demand.

8:55 a.m.

Executive Director, reachAbility, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Tova Sherman

We also ask that you commit to developing a working committee to bring federal, provincial, and municipal governments, as well as agencies and business together to map out an employability strategy for persons with disabilities. Lack of communication is a big concern.

9 a.m.

Board Member, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Brian Tapper

We're asking for equalization. Create a financial plan for employment and employability opportunities that matches persons with disabilities with other equity groups. Such a plan must span youth to older workers and provide for internships and flexible experience in linking persons with disabilities with the business community.

And finally, we ask that programs and policies recognize the unique needs and the unique journey that an individual with a disability goes through from the onset of that disability to the time he or she is ready, willing, and able to enter the workforce. Every individual is different, and it's not a quick fix. For some people it may take years.

Thank you.

9 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Mr. Tapper and Ms. Sherman.

We'll go to Mr. Cheverie.

9 a.m.

Leo Cheverie CUPE - PEI (Canadian Union of Public Employees)

Thank you.

My name is Leo Cheverie. I'm pleased to be here in Halifax. I'm here representing CUPE, Prince Edward Island.

Nationally, CUPE is Canada's largest union. It represents workers in a wide variety of sectors. On P.E.I., our membership includes people who work for school boards, health care workers, municipal and post-secondary workers--and I work in the post-secondary sector--nursing home workers, and ambulance workers. We felt it was very important, with your committee's work, that we actually come from Charlottetown to be here with you this morning. We also work a lot with community organizations on P.E.I.; therefore, some of the issues that we may be talking about are also issues that we work on with community partners.

Just recently, in early September, CUPE P.E.I. joined the Prince Edward Island Literacy Alliance. We have workers in the municipal sector who work with Workplace Education P.E.I. for education within their workplaces to meet their needs. We're a member of the P.E.I. Working Group for a Livable Income. We've cooperated with an advancing economic equality for women project. We did a lot of research in terms of women's work and its value, and we certainly are an advocate of working with our community partners.

Because I have limited time, I want to really echo the previous speakers in terms of access for workers with disabilities. We really want to endorse the fact that we want to have an inclusive workforce that includes workers with disabilities. But all workers should be included in terms of having a workplace strategy that includes all people within Canada--women, aboriginal workers, workers with disabilities, workers in all areas of the country.

I'm also really pleased that the social workers' presentation dealt with things like a higher minimum wage--which I'll speak to--and employment insurance, making sure of eligibility. We know that on P.E.I. there's been a real attack in terms of eligibility for seasonal workers. We have a high seasonal workforce on P.E.I. The changes from UI to EI were disastrous for our province, and we need to make changes. Even though there was a huge surplus in that program, we need to really make sure that workers are treated fairly.

We believe in a fair taxation system, such as CCPA and other people have. CUPE has been at the forefront of fighting for an accessible and affordable national child care program. We've waited for years for that. We still endorse it. We certainly think that disability supports are very important, and also education programs. All workers should have access to the education and training they need. We know, certainly, that basic essential skills are needed in our workforce--everything all the way up to university. We represent workers who work in post-secondary education, and it's becoming less affordable and less accessible. Our studies have shown that more and more students don't access post-secondary education because of the expense; they are left with huge student debt. So we certainly want to endorse those accessibilities.

One of the groups that CUPE works with is the P.E.I. Working Group for a Livable Income, and they've established four pillars for positive livable-income public policy that I think should be the very basis of any national strategy for dealing with employability in Canada. These four pillars are livable income for all, to allow all members of society to meet their needs and live in dignity; appropriate development that is sustainable for communities, the natural environment, and employers and employees over a long period of time; excellence in the workforce based on positive relationships between employers and employees, recognizing that all work contributes to the betterment of society; and fourthly, a healthy society and a healthy economy, ensuring that decisions take into consideration the interrelationship of people's health and the health of economic and political systems. We know that income is the number one determinant of health, so obviously this impacts on all of us. We also know that both paid and unpaid work contribute to making our society a lot better, so to have the best and healthiest society and environment possible for the citizens of P.E.I., all paid and unpaid work should be valued.

I just want to read out one of our definitions of a livable income: income that allows a family or an individual to pay rent or a mortgage and their monthly bills, buy medicine and healthy foods, use transportation and child care, and have money left for some extras such as sports activities or a child's birthday, as well as to cover emergencies, which may be a furnace or a car breaking down. That's the very basic fundamental thing that people in the workforce need.

We've been very concerned with the recent budget cuts the government announced. There's been very poor communication. These cuts have attacked the very poorest and the most vulnerable members of society, certainly those who are most marginalized, and we know that very little consultation has taken place in terms of those cutbacks. We know, for example, that CPRN, which has basically done a lot of very good research, has been cut. Women's groups, which we work with closely, are limited in terms of doing research and advocacy, plus they're getting cut back. So that's a real thing.

The Canadian Labour and Business Centre, which has business and labour people come together to work together, to come up with common solutions, and to hear each other's voices, has been cut. The court challenges program has been cut, which Acadian parents in P.E.I. have used to access their minority rights.

The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives has said that in order to meet what this minority government has promised, they would need $17 billion more because of extra spending plus the tax cuts they promised. We know this may be the thin edge of a wedge and actually a way to silence voices. We're very concerned about that.

Literacy cuts have been made in terms of value for money. We disagree that this been the case. The Law Reform Commission has been cut. We have worked with them in P.E.I. on electoral reform and on some of the great research they've done. We know that early childhood development education in P.E.I. had access to the social development partnerships program, which has been cut. The youth employment strategy has been cut in half, even though it provides jobs for youth in our communities that are desperately needed across this country.

This is disastrous. There have been cuts in the Summerside tax centre, even though there had been promises made otherwise that it wouldn't be the case. The recent cuts that have taken place have been disastrous and concern us greatly.

I want to talk about literacy particularly. CUPE P.E.I. works with the P.E.I. Literacy Alliance. We have worked with the P.E.I. workplace education program. We know those programs have been cut because the federal provincial-stream has been cut in delivery.

These things are essential. We say there's going to be a skills shortage in this province. We want to reinvest in workers, and the very fundamental thing in terms of literacy and basic skills has been cut. The literacy alliance, although it doesn't deliver programming, does bring people together to talk about best practices, ensures resource development, outreaches to adult learners, coordinates the networks. It is absolutely essential; it is the glue that brings these organizations together.

I have attended the P.E.I. Literacy Alliance meetings when we have brought practitioners, adult learners, and other stakeholders together, including even at the Literacy Summit that took last year, which endorsed the fact that workplace education is also essential.

Workplace Education P.E.I. has also been cut back. These things are very negative. They attack the very weakest and most vulnerable workers we have in terms of being able to meet the needs in a constantly skills-changing environment. We ask that these cuts be reinstated.

A recent study showed that a 1% increase in adult literacy levels would generate a 1.5% permanent increase in GDP. New research from Stats Canada shows that investment in education is three times as important to economic growth over the long run as investment in physical capital, such as machinery and equipment.

Another Stats Canada study shows that educating the least educated has a greater impact on GDP than increasing the skills of those with higher literacy skills. We also know from the C.D. Howe Institute that the raising of literacy scores by 1% relative to the international average is associated with a 2.5% relative increase in productivity and a 1.5% increase in national income per person.

This is essential. Canada's employers are the lowest of all the 14 OECD countries in investing in workers. We need to make sure we are able to invest in literacy and basic skills and make sure that employers also invest in them.

Quebec has a very successful payroll tax; if employers do not invest in their workers, then they're taxed, and that money is being used to invest in workers. We call upon you to look at that as a way of strengthening our involvement in meeting the needs of those workers.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much. That's all the time we have for that round.

We're going to start with questions. We're going to start with Mr. Regan, please, for seven minutes, sir.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for allowing me the opportunity to welcome the committee to the maritime provinces. We realize that Newfoundland is one of the Atlantic provinces, not one of the maritime provinces. We've just come to the Maritimes, to Nova Scotia, and to Halifax.

I'd also to thank the witnesses for coming today before us. Among them I recognize Lynne Noël. I appreciate your coming. I was thinking a moment ago this is probably the most information per square minute we've had so far. It's a lot of issues and program proposals packed into a short time.

9:10 a.m.

CUPE - PEI (Canadian Union of Public Employees)

Leo Cheverie

My apologies to the interpreter.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

No, I meant we had a lot of good, dense information and ideas this morning. It leaves me with many questions in many areas that I could get into, but I have to choose one or two, I guess, in the few minutes I have left.

Let me ask you about your feelings about training, in terms of programs for people with disabilities, for example.

Brian Tapper, first of all, what did you think of the labour market partnership agreement model, the LMPA model that was in place in three provinces and was worked on elsewhere? Was it a good model? What was good and what was bad?

9:10 a.m.

Board Member, TEAM Work Cooperative Ltd.

Brian Tapper

Do you mean the labour market agreement for persons with disabilities?