In terms of the logistics workforce, depending upon how you define logistics, you could be working with a labour market that is upwards of 680,000 to 700,000 people in Canada.
In terms of the workforce, again it's the both issues. There's a general shortage in terms of having enough bodies to fill the positions that are out there. There's also a dearth of the skills that people are looking for. So we have both aspects of it.
I can cite a couple of issues. One is the entry level. There's a severe shortage of people working in logistics relative to transportation and truck drivers.