On the leverage, I think some of the simple responses are the number of jobs are created for people such as those Ms. Mennie talked about in The Cleaning Solution who are moving off welfare or out of homelessness, and the youth groups in Saskatoon who are moving away from the criminal system. We can measure those types of things. We can measure the amount of money, the income that the enterprises are doing. As Ms. Mennie mentioned, at VanCity Community Foundation and VanCity Credit Union we actually are working with a group of people, including HRSDC, on creating a better tool that would be more capable of measuring these returns on investments.
There are examples--in the U.K., the new economics foundation, and in the U.S., the Roberts Enterprise Development Fund--that have developed tools, so we can look at best practices and create a Canadian model that's simple for both funders and enterprises to use.