Right.
Mr. Finnie, you were talking a little bit about the data. I think it's important for us as a government to have a target to shoot for, something that we're trying to accomplish. We are spending, as Mr. Sarlo said, billions of dollars on this, and for us it seems as if there's conversation around a whole bunch of.... You talk to different groups across the country, and we're talking in a whole different language about what we're trying to accomplish. I think it's important that we get a little more focused in terms of where we're going.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on what the role of the federal government is, and then I'd like to hear Mr. Sarlo's thoughts, as well, on the role of the federal government in reducing poverty in Canada and what specific actions we should take.