That's speculation at the best of times. If he had settled with his union and made the agreement first, he wouldn't be out of business either. We're all speculating here. There are a lot of things that go into the decision of a company to go bankrupt or not. The vast majority of companies in this country go bankrupt without any reference to labour relations. They get into trouble without any reference to labour relations. You have to separate these things out again.
In the federal field, the vast majority of people are unionized. The vast majority of people don't use replacement workers and have no intention of using replacement workers. Unfortunately, we do have some situations in which they do use them, to the great detriment of working people and ordinary folks.
That's the balance we're looking for here. Despite our legislation in B.C., working people have fallen behind in real incomes. We all agree with that at this table. It's not like we suddenly climbed up on a horse and got to ride off into the wilderness with everything else. The fact is that it just made it a little more equal for workers at a time when companies have more and more power, which is the other side that no one is talking about.
Companies are more powerful when it comes to lifting up their operations and moving them anywhere they want them to go or, during a dispute, to contracting out far and wide. We need to have some control in that so that workers and employers can solve their problems and can't sneak around the back door.