I have one question...probably for the two chambers, Mr. Gardner and Mr. Tufts. As everybody has said in their answers, they're looking for balance and they are trying to determine whether this shifts the balance. We're hearing arguments on both sides.
I asked earlier for information about the different jurisdictions that have changed: Quebec being one, since 1977; B.C., in the nineties; and then Ontario, back and forth in the nineties. What was the result in each instance when the change happened?
We have the Canadian Bankers Association's submission here. All of you have said there's a general, very significant downward trend in terms of lost days in every jurisdiction. What's quite clear from the graphs is that essentially there's not really any significant change at all in those jurisdictions that have made the change, as opposed to those that haven't.
I hear very strongly the hypothetical, the possibility of disaster, but labour relations are about avoiding disasters. It shows, from these graphs, that in Ontario and Quebec and B.C., in every instance, those disasters have been avoided, whether this has been in place or it hasn't.
Tell me again, why. I hear your hypothetical, but it is quite clear that there really isn't a significant difference, year-in, year-out, from those jurisdictions that have changed and those that haven't.