I'd just like to comment.
Mr. Lake refers so much to politics. The politics in this program was far less before than it is now. They talk about privacy. On Tuesday of this week, the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and the Conservative government went into a Bloc riding to announce one of these programs.
Are you taking the politics out? The politics is going in. This is about politics going in. It's not about politics coming out. That's one of the problems with this.
In terms of in camera, we don't have to meet on this at all. The clerk just needs to get the information and send it to us as committee members. That's fine. That's all we need to know. What are we going to do? Are we going to review every single grant in a meeting before we decide what to do about it? It doesn't make any sense. That would take longer than the employability study, which started in 1998.