I'd be interested in that too, so make sure everybody gets that.
I wanted to get back to this issue of definition and the federal role and how we might put something in place here, a framework of some sort that would make sure we are allowing everybody in Canada to participate, but that we're measuring what we're doing so that we know whether we're having success. I wanted to go to Mr. Shillington because I missed out last time. Mr. Shillington had some disparaging remarks to make about this notion of defining or finding a definition and of the time we spend trying to find a definition.
We've heard this morning across the panel that perhaps a composite poverty line or a suite of indicators.... We kind of did that a little bit, but I think we got ourselves into a place that really, in my view, wasn't very helpful in that we moved from LICO to this notion of market basket that Mr. Sarlo has promoted. He'll be coming next week sometime, or very soon, and we'll hear from him.
But I'd like to hear from Mr. Shillington on his notion of what would work in terms of definition and what the federal role should be in this whole exercise.