I'll quickly start by commenting on the points Mr. Dhaliwal made earlier. I was 15 when Mulroney became Prime Minister, so I can't really be held responsible for any of the good or bad decisions that may have been made at that time.
I understand that Mr. Dhaliwal wasn't here last meeting, but the witnesses clarified that the $54 billion we're talking about, the notional surplus, was virtually entirely collected and spent by the Liberal governments from 1993 to 2005. So that is just to clarify that.
Mr. Atkinson, I want to talk about the $31.5 billion of that $54 billion that would have been collected from employers and, to use Mr. Savage's words, went out the back door on a variety of social programs.