I simply want to address your assumption that the reason you couldn't hold on to people was because of low wages, which from my most recent experience is not true. Secondly, having worked with EI over many years with the Canadian Labour Force Development Board, what we've found is that you want to get people into entry-level jobs. They may not be the highest paying jobs, but you move them into higher-paying jobs over time.
We feel there can be a really good opportunity with the programs. If you look at page 11 on the training programs, 11% of the budget--almost $2 billion--goes to training programs, and we're not sure of the effectiveness of those training programs. For example, we feel there are ways of dealing with EI to help move people into meaningful work. We strongly believe that.