Could I just come back to Mr. Gordon? When you were responding to my question, you were talking about cheating. I wasn't discussing cheating in terms of the situation I was talking about. I was talking more about government policy and programs where I think governments make the mistake of allocating our limited resources towards programs where we set up long-term income support programs for people who would be better served by training or the creation of opportunities.
In some situations it might be counselling services or referral services. In some cases more significant interventions may need to be set up. But the idea is that we can take individuals and help them to eventually be able to help themselves in the long term.
I think sometimes we take the easy default position, which is to create an income support program, and think we've solved the problem. And when we do that, it's my belief that we're using resources we could be using to better serve people who truly are unable to help themselves or have a much more difficult time, let's say, helping themselves and may require some income support for the longer term. And oftentimes in the child poverty situations, where there are real difficulties, we may need to set something up a little bit more in the long term--for example, maybe having people live with people with disabilities who need long-term support.
So just to clarify, I wasn't discussing the concept of people cheating the system. I was actually talking about the concept of the system cheating the people.