I'm going to stop you there because I'm going to ask a second question which will also be very brief.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland have managed to lower the poverty rate among children and seniors quite sharply. The poverty rate among children there is one-third of the rate here and half of our rate for seniors. That's quite exemplary.
Are you, who have no doubt examined what is going on elsewhere able to give some examples of measures that have been particularly effective in those countries?