Yes. Certainly, Joan is also a member of the national board of directors of our association. We work very closely with her.
Perhaps I can give another example. I was president of the college in Saskatoon, and during one of the downturns in the economy, what we were able to do in partnership with the industry--and this is indicative of the colleges and institutes across the country--is partner with the local industries to use plant facilities that were underutilized. We'd partner with municipalities if they were building new infrastructure in order to do fast-forward of training in the industry types of programs. We could use facilities and resource people. Laid-off and possibly laid-off senior people from industry would actually help with the teaching as well, and we'd move people off some of the welfare rolls, getting training supports immediately.
The best way of that being done is through a strategic discussion among the federal partners, the provincial government partners, and the aboriginal band councils, etc., who may be involved in the communities, to move it very quickly forward, rather than through individual decisions where people may just be in a lineup to get into programs.