Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I also want to thank you for your testimony this morning, which is very revealing of one concern, which we have in common, being related to the exercise we're conducting here. If I understand correctly, we'll have trouble making progress if we don't first involve the people who are caught in the spiral of poverty.
You say it differently. Mr. Métivier tells us that they're the ones who should be speaking to us here. Mr. deGroot-Maggetti tells us that we can't move forward with plans if our people don't take part in them. Mr. Quist, you say otherwise, probably in accordance with what's guiding your convictions: that is to say that the government should provide the least possible support for programs, apart from community group assistance programs.
Don't you think that, in that way, you're inviting the government to shake off one responsibility and put it on the shoulders of the people who are already disadvantaged and who are dedicated to assisting those who are caught in the spiral of poverty? I just want to understand where you're headed, and your thinking. This isn't a judgment. The idea is to understand, because we're here to try to understand your thinking on this. I'd like to hear what you have to say on that subject, Mr. Quist, so that we can clearly determine whether that's the way you view matters.