I think all the evidence is that the best way to use.... First of all, you need to have quite a lot of public money if you want to have good-quality and accessible early childhood education and child care. There's no doubt about it.
So then the question is this: how do you use your public money best to achieve those results? I think all the evidence and all these studies that I've been citing, such as policy analyses by the OECD and UNICEF, and also other research, are very clear that the best results come from funding programs and putting the programs there, not from giving subsidies, not from giving vouchers, and not from giving money. It's something we don't do; it's the way you would fund a public school. You can charge a fee. Most of the European countries that have accessible programs....
I could wait a minute.