Evidence of meeting #56 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was november.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Georges Etoka

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

I would like to know when we are going to travel.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

The trip is scheduled for the first week in December, according to the chronology that reads as follows: study of Bill C-56, November 19, 24 and 26. Report Bill C-56 to the House, no later than November 27. Travel to the north and to the west, the first week in December; when we are back, study and finish the study of Bill C-304, December 8 and 10, 2009. There is the timeline. It is almost exactly the same as the one that was read at the very beginning. So I call the question once more.

(Motion agreed to.)

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

We have now deferred the study of Bill C-304.

We can go directly to the motion tabled by Michael Savage on November 5.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Which motion? Is that Tony's or mine?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

I have the motion of November 5 here. Is there a more recent one? I have Michael Savage's name here.

This is the one dated November 5. Is that the correct one? I'll ask the clerk.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Madam Chair, I would prefer to deal with Mr. Martin's motion about the 20th anniversary of the declaration, which preceded my motion in coming to the committee, which we discussed before.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

The clerk has not given me a copy of that motion. Just wait a few minutes until we get it all together.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

The last one I had was on November 5.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

You should have in front of you two sheets of paper. Both of them are on the same date--Tony Martin, November 5--but one of them is called “Tony Martin, November 5, revised by the analysts”.

Mr. Martin, do you have copies?

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

No, I don't.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

I take it, Mr. Martin, you've had a chance to read your version against the analysts' version?

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Yes. Do you want me to read the motion into the record, Madam Chair?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Yes. I'm just giving everybody time. I was giving you time to make sure the version revised by the analysts was acceptable to you. That's why I stopped all proceedings.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

I will read into the record the one that we're going to debate. It is the motion that I had made before and that I'm making again.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Mr. Martin, I have two motions in front of me. There are two versions of the same motion, and I need to hear from you which of the two you're going to bring forward.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Absolutely. Do you want me to do that now?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Please.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

I move that with November 24, 2009, marking the 20th anniversary of the 1989 unanimous resolution of this House to eliminate poverty among Canadian children by the year 2000, and not having achieved that goal, be it resolved that the Government of Canada, taking into consideration the committee's work in this regard, and respecting provincial and territorial jurisdiction, develop an immediate plan to eliminate poverty in Canada for all, starting with achieving a 50% reduction in poverty by 2020, and that this decision be reported to the House.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Thank you, Mr. Martin.

Could I have everyone's attention? Before we go further--

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dona Cadman Conservative Surrey North, BC

That's not the version revised by the analysts. That's his first one. Is that okay?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

I'm getting to that.

As I said, Mr. Martin, there are two versions of the same motion. I don't know whether I'm allowed to ask this question, but I will ask anyway. Was there any reason that you read your own motion rather than the one revised by the analysts?

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

It's because that's the one I want to have debated today. It's the one I brought before the committee the last time we spoke to this. It's what I would like to have debated today.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

It's your motion.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Yes. It's my motion. That's why.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Fair enough. Well, that is the answer.

I would just like to point out to you that the motion before us is the one headed: “Notice of Motion, Tony Martin, M.P., November 5, 2009“. It is not the one headed: “Notice of Motion, Tony Martin, M.P., November 5, 2009 revised by the analysts“.

That is not the motion we will be discussing today, at the request of Mr. Martin.

Go ahead, Monsieur Lessard.