We can talk about what these two speakers have said, but let me tell you that the timelines would be very lengthy. I think what can be done is to get sufficient money into the hands of people to raise their quality of life and make life bearable for them. There's no problem with the provinces. The provinces don't object to the increases in GIS and the OAS. That's solely under the jurisdiction of the federal government.
Talking about the international convention and dealing with the question of poverty, how many of these conventions have even been ratified by Canada? Canada says they're under provincial jurisdiction.
My proposal is basically that there is something you can do, something very positive. You say every time, “Well, we should look at the definition of poverty.” But the definition of poverty is very simple: people don't have sufficient resources to live a meaningful life. The only thing is we tend to say that if we give them the money, they're going to go and drink it up or whatever. That's the sort of standard reply you get from some people. I'm basically saying let's see what's happens if you give them sufficient money.
Generally speaking, we know that if income has increased across the board, there has been a better life for these people. There's a relationship, social connections. What's the relationship between social connections and income? It's income. What is it for the question of housing? It's income. What is it for the question of health? It's income.
So move in the areas in which you're able to move. That means increasing the GIS, the OAS, and for the long term to eventually eradicate poverty, doubling the Canada Pension Plan.