I'll add one comment to reinforce what Shauna was saying. The amount that Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation has in legacy savings they've accumulated is $4.6 billion. That's a huge amount of money that could be used to finance the creation and rehabilitation of Canada's housing stock.
Mr. Martin was asking about making changes and figuring out how we're going to either get the money or change the ideology to allow these changes to be made. Canadians don't fail on compassion; we're very compassionate people who understand the need to address poverty and would like to take action. Perhaps this committee needs to look at really explaining the rationale for social housing, because it looks as if Canadians don't understand why it makes sense to address these issues.
When I talk to friends and relatives who are not involved in this work, they don't get it. I do my best to explain, and the organization I work for does its best to explain, but it would be really good if you folks on this committee, who have taken the time to go out and learn about these issues, also included in your initiatives the chance to go out there and educate Canadians.