--for rural development, the amount the provinces fund the municipalities to help certain communities in financial distress.
That's what I understand Madam Folco and Madam Minna to be speaking about: the true cost of poverty. We have to peel back all the layers to find out what the true cost is. We're only taking half measures here as far as I'm concerned. We want to know what the true cost is. We might as well take the time here and really find out what it is, because half measures don't give anybody.... We have to know all the costs.