--that has not enough strength to support, but just enough to entangle, and we think it's quite negative. That, in and of itself, if it were to be reformed appropriately, would produce a lot of funds for other activities, because both the provinces and the feds are implicated in welfare.
Take the universal child benefit, which in part of my political affiliation I support. I think it was a constructive and important step forward. We said that over time it has to become more generous as things progress; to the government's credit, it has moved up slowly, although some would argue not fast enough or robustly enough, but I would be one of those who would say that all those programs have to keep pace as long as we're not prepared to look at the holistic solution, which is a basic income floor.
The problem, if I may say so, with incrementalism, which this report actually calls for and which I support as the vice-chair, is that it gets you into a series of small steps that do not change the fundamental issues on the ground--