Exactly. When we got the results of that, I thought, well, you know, you're not going to have any engineers with five to ten years of experience if you're not hiring the people out of university, because in five or ten years, they're the ones who will have the experience that you're looking for.
We've been making our best efforts, as have our constituent associations, to try to connect with industry to talk about mentoring programs, and to assist them with mentoring programs so that they can see that the new graduates who they hire will come up to speed more quickly.
There are a couple of provincial programs with some financial assistance for companies to hire new graduates, but those aren't well known or particularly well funded, so it continues to be a problem, and it continues to be an issue.
They're looking outside of Canada for the people with the five to ten years of experience rather than hiring our own grads. There is a gap.
This also happened in the 1990s because there was a recession in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I graduated in 1989, and I was in the last class where we really got jobs. The next class in 1990 didn't, because there was a recession. I'm a civil engineer. So we ended up five to ten years later, from the mid to late 1990s, not having enough engineers, those middle experience engineers, and again, they were relying on immigrant engineers.