On the educational side, the expansion of co-op programs or similar programs is important. A big part is that the student needs to go to university, then go to work, and then come back. Often what happens is that a big part of our cohorts who are not in co-op programs go through universities or schools for three, four, or five years. By the time they come out with what they've learned, the context of the workplace has changed very dramatically. To expect the private sector to then pick up these kids and train them in the new technology that's coming out is much harder and more expensive.
The model probably needs to be slightly different. Some of this stuff is going on at Cambridge University, where they have a much more robust exchange going back and forth between universities and the private sector. There's an ongoing engagement in terms of going back and forth.
The panel has talked about different things. One is incentives to companies that will bring in students beyond co-op, through some credits, to hire them and train them and then send them back to school. That probably would create a different type of outcome from what we're facing.
We have two outcomes to this. Some kids are going through co-op. They're engaged with industry. Then a large majority of the graduates are completely detached. If you're in an engineering program, you're detached for five years.