There are many school-to-work programs, and I know as employers we support those programs.
For the under-represented groups--and I'll speak to women in trades--again, it's the school-to-work. The successful ones are where you've engaged—I'll speak to women—the young female in their secondary school years, you've given them some opportunity to come in to work and they understand the job, what they're getting into, and the commitment ahead of time.
As an employer, it gives us a chance to shop before we buy. And they get comfortable with the job and the environment.
I think one of the things is no matter how hard we try, the work environment is not always the most conducive to some of the under-represented groups. I know as an employer, it's something we focus on a lot. Jobs can be dirty, and when you're down in the middle of a shutdown at two o'clock in the morning and you're covered in grease, that's not for everybody. It's not just a gender issue there.