The individuals are training. First, they need an employer that supports them, and supports them for the long haul. It's also a demand-driven industry, so you need to have actual work.
The other thing, too, is that some people who start as carpenters may discover that in another trade which may not be a compulsory trade, for example, a wall plasterer or other trade, they can make just as decent money. They don't necessarily complete their program, but it doesn't mean they're leaving the industry. They still work, but in a different capacity. They may not be registered in the data, but they're certainly present in the industry. They don't complete their program. We certainly would encourage them to complete their program, because in terms of their labour market resiliency, we're seeing in the data that they would do a lot better.