Just to clarify, when I talk about grade 7, 8 and 9 programming, I don't want to exclude programming for the high schools. We still need to have focus on technical vocational education at the high school level, but we need to start to move down into grades 7, 8 and 9.
In specific response to your question, I'll use Ontario as an example. They have their competitions for their high schools and post-secondary students every year, but they also have a day that is for junior high school students, so that they can come in and participate in competitions. Obviously, it is not at the same competency level as the high school students and post-secondary students, but they can participate, again, in an experience that gives them a better appreciation of what's involved in those areas.
We're seeing in Newfoundland and Labrador where they have a similar format. They're trying to start that connection with skilled trades for those young people in grades 7, 8 and 9. What they're finding in Newfoundland and Labrador is that many of those students are continuing on to participate in high school and post-secondary competitions. They are engaging them at that younger age and we're seeing that they are continuing to move forward.