I promise, Ed.
I have three things I would offer Mr. Butt.
First of all, I don't think everybody is an expert at training. We should do a better job of supporting those employers who say they would like to do training. It would be very good.
We should look at tax incentives. Maybe there is a top amount of 125% of training investment deducted in terms of your payroll taxes. Something around tax incentives would definitely encourage those employers who are good at training. Then they wouldn't mind if their employees are raided and they lose them because there has been some cost recovery.
There could be shared training pools. Small employers could contribute to training pools that could be supported by federal or provincial dollars.
Another suggestion is to look to what Quebec does. I don't know the exact numbers, but I think Quebec collects something like a 1% after tax of net profit. It goes into a training fund. You either spend it or lose it. You should check the facts on that. This country is going to have to create their training funds like Quebec has done.