I'll pick up on some of the comments that Nathan mentioned around the prestige of the occupations.
Maybe there's some way to look at trade certification, perhaps even giving it a different name. I know people who have been involved in trades for a long time are sometimes not a fan of that idea, but I know that when journeypersons talk about their certification, they talk about their trades ticket or their certificate ticket, their certification.
Some young people may be pursuing university education, some are going to a college in pursuit of a diploma, so they're getting degrees and diplomas, and then you have trade certification. Just some of that terminology immediately puts it at a different level from people who are pursuing a degree and a diploma. If we're talking about trying to raise the awareness, the profile, and the prestige, maybe that is something that we need to look at.