I'm going to pick up a bit on that, Mr. Chair.
Serge and I were over in Europe on that tour together, and you were talking about the young people whom we saw in Siemens and in STIHL. One of the things I found remarkable was the difference in respect for the trades. We call it the parity of esteem. Do you want to elaborate? You touched on it, but do you want to elaborate on that, on how trades and skills over there have an equal value with more professional and more academic degrees?