There's a historical focus over there, where you had professional groups and professions that started centuries ago. You have the unions, you have the employer groups, and you have the governments—the state government and federal government—working together. It was quite interesting to me to see the unions setting out the way the training would be done with the post-secondary institutions. I shouldn't say union, I should say professional groups. They were involved in that. Then you had the employers who were setting the minimum conditions that you would need to meet to be in that profession. Then you had the governments also working on the funding of that.
The pride was there, and the pride had been instilled from years before. The young people involved in this learned that you if you get a job at Siemens, it is fantastic. You had people competing for jobs at Siemens. When we visited STIHL manufacturing, one of the gentlemen in charge of the training program was telling us that he had thousands of applicants for a few positions only because people knew about how great it was.