When we have people who are unemployed who have been working for a long time in the fields, they're not necessarily up to date when it comes to things like computers. If they've come into a job right out of high school, certainly they're going to be lacking in skills and it's going to be difficult for them to walk into those programs.
Initially, when we worked with people who had lost their jobs, they were not able to access training because they were not able to transition right into any of the approved training programs. So we were fortunate to be able to work with the Ontario MTCU, and it had some flexibility. We did establish some training programs that gave people the ability to have the skills they were going to need to go into these programs that were going to give them diplomas or certification. That actually gave them also the skills they needed to be able to transition from working to school. There is a bit of a transition there to writing a test from not having been in school.
So those were successful and those people were successful because not only did they have the actual skills, but they had the confidence. I think that's very important, especially when our goal is to be successful.