I'll get both of you to weigh in on this. We did a previous study on apprenticeships and we know that there's an alarming attrition in apprentices. Enough of them start the programs, but they just don't finish the programs, and we have this drop-off rate. One day of hearings stands out in particular. We had five apprentices here and we went right down the line, and each of them said that when they had returned to school, they were supported through the EI system. Now only 28% of Ontarians, according to your figures, would even qualify for this. Their level of frustration about getting that financial support through their study period was one of the main reasons young people are dropping out of apprenticeships.
But what both of you are saying is, I believe, is that we should allow for a program that disengages the supports for those apprentices from the EI system and have them supported some way through the training program. I'd like your comments on that, please. Is that what I'm hearing from both of you?